• Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Do you think trump would pledge more billions?

    Yes.

    You’re dealing in hypotheticals

    Yes.

    How about we don’t have genocide

    That’s not really an option. The most Biden could do is make it a little less genocidey, until Trump wins and then it gets a whole lot more genocidey.

    the civil rights act should’ve never been passed since it cost democrats votes from racists.

    Democrats won the undying fealty of the single most reliable voter bloc: Black women. Black women vote every time, even when forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Black women always vote Democrat. They will trudge through snow or hurricanes to vote Democrat. Can you say as much for the far left? Realistically, if Biden cut off aid to Israel tomorrow, there’s a decent chance you’d find something else he did that you didn’t like that you’d use as an excuse to not vote.

    More importantly, the Civil Rights Act was popular enough that it couldn’t get undone by future administrations. Anything Biden does to help Palestine or thwart Israel will be immediately undone next year when Trump takes over.

    Not to mention the very real possibility of the end of our democracy. I know we’re talking about Israel here so I won’t dwell on it, but it’s worth keeping in mind even in terms of helping Palestine long term. Can’t help Palestine if we’ve become a Christian theocracy. Hell, we’d probably have troops there ourselves participating in the massacre.

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      1 year ago

      The possibility of the end of our democracy is precisely because of the many times we’ve gone along with “this is just how things are” and democrats insisting that we have to work with republicans while republicans kept getting worse and worse, moving the overton window to the right. Democrats need to put their foot down and pull back the overton window to the left, that is how we can make some real changes. Democrats doing this would show people that there is a party that will actually fight for them, a party worth going through the trouble of voting for. I thought this was the lesson that would be learned from 2016 when democrats pushed through a “safe” “centrist” candidate and lost, but instead they’ve doubled down.

      israel doesn’t need to have bipartisan support. Yes, aipac has a lot of power, but it’s because of this undying support for israel which creates this feedback loop. Doing the right thing is worth it in the long run.

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        1 year ago

        Well technically, Biden is pushing back somewhat on Israel, so it’s a less bad genocide with Biden.

        But in terms of whether there will be genocide? No, your vote doesn’t matter. At least in the short run.

        I do think this has the possibility of pushing the Democratic party away from Israel in the future. Even staunch Zionists are starting to feel a little uneasy with the scale of the massacre.