Fall from within is one thing. Being toppled externally is another entirely.
Governments don’t actually get toppled by mobs of protesters storming the palace gates. Machine guns are quite effective at preventing that. They topple when some other individual or faction convinces enough key players in the country that the new guys are a better option. The protesters only storm the gates when the army decides to look the other way. And the army only decides to look the other way when there’s some viable alternative to the existing government. No high-ranking general with a retirement to worry about wants to see the state they serve collapse into complete anarchy.
The point of this is that internal revolutions tend to be good for their people. A revolutionary movement can only successfully topple a government when they can make a good case to a lot of powerful people that they can competently manage the gears of state.
But imposed from without? You can invade a place and stick someone on the throne, but they won’t have any legitimacy. And that power and legitimacy vacuum leads to sectarian violence and civil wars. Or, as in the case of the Shah, the foreign-imposed leader maintains their position through shear force and barbarity.
That’s Saudi Arabia, the ally of USA and Israel. Iran are prudes. They even tried to assassinate Trump in Butler, PA to get him to stop talking about Hannibal Lectar.
Who are you to police another country in another part of the world? You shoot citizens in the street for looking at officers funny and have thrown out decades of progress to make a few guys filthy rich. You don’t get a say in the affairs of others.
Full disclosure I don’t agree with the US doing any of this, I’m Canadian and even Carneys supporting of the US right now means I’ll never vote for him again. That being said, I 100% support a grassroots overthrow by Iranians of their own fucking repressive government. Something they’ve been working on by the past few months in massive protests. I stand with the people of Iran, not fucking religious lunatics in their government.
Why do you want the Islamic regime of Iran to fall and what do you expect takes it’s place?
Any government based in religion is idiotic and deserves to fall.
Fall from within is one thing. Being toppled externally is another entirely.
Governments don’t actually get toppled by mobs of protesters storming the palace gates. Machine guns are quite effective at preventing that. They topple when some other individual or faction convinces enough key players in the country that the new guys are a better option. The protesters only storm the gates when the army decides to look the other way. And the army only decides to look the other way when there’s some viable alternative to the existing government. No high-ranking general with a retirement to worry about wants to see the state they serve collapse into complete anarchy.
The point of this is that internal revolutions tend to be good for their people. A revolutionary movement can only successfully topple a government when they can make a good case to a lot of powerful people that they can competently manage the gears of state.
But imposed from without? You can invade a place and stick someone on the throne, but they won’t have any legitimacy. And that power and legitimacy vacuum leads to sectarian violence and civil wars. Or, as in the case of the Shah, the foreign-imposed leader maintains their position through shear force and barbarity.
Homie, they fucking hang people in the street as part of public executions. Do I really need to continue or is this the hill we die on?
I mean, that’s what they said about Saddam. And then Iraq had a million dead over the next decade…and ISIS.
Saddam was also a fucking monster. He gassed Kurdish villages.
Again, was ally to USA, ang got those chemical weapons from CIA.
We should do the same to the Epstein pedophile. Sounds great to me
Right but that’s hanging people for being a pedophile and not something as light as apostasy.
Again, that’s Saudi Arabia.
That’s Saudi Arabia, the ally of USA and Israel. Iran are prudes. They even tried to assassinate Trump in Butler, PA to get him to stop talking about Hannibal Lectar.
Are you looking to reintroduce slave markets like Libya?
Sounds like a terrible idea.
Who are you to police another country in another part of the world? You shoot citizens in the street for looking at officers funny and have thrown out decades of progress to make a few guys filthy rich. You don’t get a say in the affairs of others.
Full disclosure I don’t agree with the US doing any of this, I’m Canadian and even Carneys supporting of the US right now means I’ll never vote for him again. That being said, I 100% support a grassroots overthrow by Iranians of their own fucking repressive government. Something they’ve been working on by the past few months in massive protests. I stand with the people of Iran, not fucking religious lunatics in their government.