• ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 years ago

    I think toyota actually plans on getting there in the next few years. I think the current and final hurdle; which I’m guessing a couple different companies about have a complete handle on is the prevention of dendrites forming and causing the batteries to go bad from multiple charge cycles.

    Toyota wouldn’t be blowing fluff about having the batteries a few years away from production if they weren’t confident about it happening. That’s reserved for saying something is 7 to 10 years away.

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      2 years ago

      I think it’s more likely that Toyota dropped the ball on not investing in EVs early, so that they felt the need to announce they were working on some thing in hopes of staying relevant.

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        2 years ago

        Toyota has been claiming to have EV-killing tech 3-5 years away for 20 years. It’s part of the plan for selling hybrids.

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        I mean…. Really? Toyota kind of kicked off the whole EV shebang by introducing the first commercially successful hybrid in the Prius. And they’ve been innovating in the space ever since. Don’t mistake this for me believing they have a solid state battery right around the corner. But Japanese auto companies aren’t known for being on the forefront. They’re known for doing what everyone else does with better reliability and lower costs.

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      2 years ago

      Toyota have announced several times already that they’re “this close” 🤏 or only a few years away from releasing their first solid state battery EV…I’ll believe it when I see it.

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      2 years ago

      The same Toyota that declared that electric vehicles were a non-starter and that hydrogen vehicles were the future?

      I think hydrogen will be in the future, but not for a while. Toyota is having to make lots of promises to make up for Kia and Hyundai eating their lunch.

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        2 years ago

        That was several years ago when they wanted their developed hydrogen cars to get market and IMO, right now, they’re still right. All electric with current batteries are still no good. Range anxiety, charge issues, batteries that are huge and have to be built under the vehicles in a way that extremely expensive to replace 10 plus years down the line when they start going bad. It’s no good. Basically any car built that way in the sub $50,000 market will be worthless in around 15 years. Won’t be worth the battery replacement cost.

        Right now, until batteries are better, like solid states are supposed to be, hybrids are the way to go. Smaller, cheaper, easier batteries to replace, still great gas mileage, and no range anxiety or charge location issues. All electric just isn’t realistic right now for most people. Now if you’re a home owner with a garage and get a new vehicle every 5 years and don’t need to take many long trips, or use a different vehicle for long trips, it could be great, but those people aren’t most people.

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          I think hybrids need to be built like EVs with on board range extender generators. I believe the Volt was that way but if you had enough battery to cover 120 miles full EV with plug-in recharge most of the time it would be full EV. Long trip? Generator kicks on at mile 100 and takes you an absurd distance.

          The latest Toyota hybrids are pretty great but they need competition. Sadly the Volt died.

          Kia/Hyundai/Ford/Audi should make “Range extender” versions trading half the battery pack for generator and fuel weights to up the pressure.

          Full EV might not be great for long trips, but full ICE is silly compared to a hybrid.

          Make the F-150 standard truck get 40mpg on gasoline on trips, EV around town and you have a winner.

          • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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            2 years ago

            They already have those. They’re just called plug in hybrids. The prius plug in hybrid for instance, will go about 40 miles on electric only.