A lot of people here are claiming something “like this is a problem that only affects these idiots”. Sadly, that’s not the case. A number of these vaccines are only roughly 80% effective. The efficacy of these lies in herd immunity, where the 20% of people who did get the vaccine, but are not protected, will never encounter the disease because the other 80% can’t get it to spread it to them.
Let’s say you need 70% of people to be protected to maintain herd immunity. Then just 10% of the population needs to be idiots, and the disease spreads to the 30% that isn’t protected. Of that 30%, 20 points are people who were not idiots and got vaccinated, but unfortunately are not protected. The idiots will get sick, but twice as many not-idiots will get sick too. Unfortunately, for some of these diseases, the idiots will be hurting many more people than themselves.
The affected people are not necessarily immunocompromised. For example, after two doses of the mumps vaccine, 88% of people are immune. Immunity decreased with time, so the proportion that’s immune is lower than that. Let’s guess at 80%. You, the person reading this, can be a normal healthy person who got the MMR vaccine, and you have a 1 in 5 chance that you’re not immune. Those are some pretty big odds.
Yes, the immunocompromised people are relying on the herd for protection, and the morons are letting them down
Well, I wasn’t even considering them. That’s a particularly vulnerable group, but I was referring to uncompromised people for whom the vaccine is not effective, or for whom immunity has waned.
Unfortunately, many people don’t consider them :( Getting a vaccine is not just for ourselves. It’s an investment in civilization.
You guys are still spreading this misinformation? Like two years ago know we’ve known the vaccines do not prevent transmission, it’s not protecting the immunocompromised at all.
“It’s”? Are you talking about covid? Because we’re talking about other diseases, and if you’re claiming that a population fully vaccinated against mumps, other than the immunocompromised, doesn’t protect the immunocompromised from mumps, feel free to look up and compare current and past rates for mumps infections.
Then, use your half a brain to extend that to COVID. The COVID vaccines do little to prevent transmission in that if you are vaccinated, and are exposed to the virus, you will still likely become infected. But the vaccines reduce the duration of infection and reduce the viral load shed by the infected person, thus reducing the probability that an infected person will spread to anyone else. If an infected person is infecting fewer people, that is a reduction in overall transmission. So when you say “’we’ve known the vaccines do not prevent transmission”, you’re completely wrong, or at the very least, equivocating, by conflating individual transmission with overall transmission rates. Here’s a link, since I doubt you’ll know what that means either: https://www.thefreedictionary.com/equivocating.
So much for “trust the science”. You’re blowing as much bullshit as the anti vaxxers here
We need a new disfiguring disease that scares the shit out of people. We were too good and eliminated smallpox. We nearly eliminated polio and measles. Monkeypox failed (thank you, doctors, scientists, and everyone who got vaccinated!)
…So now we need a new one that causes people to either get extremely fucked up and live, or extremely fucked up and then die horribly, and slow enough to warn people in their communities.
Apparently, a subset of the population cannot remember the olden days, and vaccines in schools aren’t compulsory anymore.
Fucking sucks for immunocompromised people as well I’m sure
Only 19% of people have gotten the latest lastest Covid vaccine.
The first one was giant walk in clinics where you just told them your name and address. Completely free. The largest vaccine drive in US history.
The second round was at pharmacies and some popup spots. Free but they bill via insurance.
The third was at pharmacies only and free only if you didn’t have insurance.
I know I am speculating here but is it possible, just remotely possible that trying to reduce costs in the short run by managed inconvenience and using crony capitalism is a factor in the decline of vaccination? And furthermore costs us as a society more with more deaths, more disability, more sick time taken, less time for students in school, less overally human happiness than just doing the way that proved it worked amazingly well 2 years ago. Could it be that by making things harder for people they are less likely to do it? Do humans really respond to incentives and short term cost savings do not always translate to greater long term prosperity?
Oh man this is like way too wild. No way I am right about any of this.
The rollout for the 2023 vaccine was awful. I wouldn’t be surprised that some folks gave up because you just couldn’t get an appointment and then it was out of mind.
The third was at pharmacies only and free only if you didn’t have insurance.
I have insurance and didn’t pay for any of them.
I’m well past feeling bad for stupid people who die needless and preventable deaths, and I’m well past feeling anything but hostility towards those who, through stubborn and willful ignorance, would threaten my life and the lives of those I care for, not to mention everyone else around them— especially the elderly and infirmed.
it’s as simple as that, and any equivocation on these points is just them trying to pass responsibility for their own social and moral failures onto others. and for that, fuck them.
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I wish it were that simple. But those people are going to take up hospital beds, nurses, doctors, etc away from people who got vaccinated (or couldn’t due to medical conditions). They’ll drive up medical prices even more. They’ll spread their diseases to those with compromised immune systems.
I don’t feel sorry for them, but they’ll harm and kill others on their way out.
perhaps you missed the part where I nether pity them, accept their excuses or equivocations, or accept, in any way, any reason for their refusal of their civic, social, or moral responsibilities? because when you say:
I wish it were that simple
please explain wtf you mean that I didn’t address pretty explicitly in my first comment
I feel bad for kids and for people who are vulnerable. The adults who are bringing down our society through idiotic decisions can’t die fast enough, imo.
Hah. Needless.
I’ve come to accept that I’ll have to work until I’m dead. So one thing that doesn’t make me upset is less people. Specifically less people to take my job—younger people.
So, anti-vaxers, if you really wanna pwn me, you’ll make sure your kids live long enough to take my job.
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While I’m all for vaccination including covid vaccines, we would not have the distrust towards the mega pharmaceutical companies if they were not so untrustworthy. They sold their trust for profits a long time ago.
Do you trust automakers? What about Apple or Google? How do you feel about GMOs in food? I bet you still eat, have a smartphone and drive. I get that it is hard to trust megacorps and industries thst have the populace captive, yet fear of a vaccine is what illicits special irrational behavior in people.
In the US I don’t trust the phone and big tech companies to not sell my data, i dont trust the automobile industry to not lobby aganst good public transportation, and i don’t trust mega pharma to not SKU the test results when they could can away with it. I dont trust any of the above to not Astroturf, buy off ftc officials or anything if they are in a position to get away with it. Perhaps im just bitter because i was prescribed an absurd amount of opioids as a 16 year old. They were pushed so hard they told us it was safe they blantently lie
I might be more cynical if they weren’t being monitored by literally every government health agency on the planet.
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