The people who aren’t interested in equity or equality are using pedantry against those who do want them. The original meme is used to reeducate those who have fallen into the trap.
The definition of fascism doesn’t start when they put on the boots. It doesn’t end when they take the boots off. Just because Kirk never killed anyone doesn’t mean he isn’t complicit in creating a system that would kill lots of people.
You can be both a grifter and a fascist. Especially if you grift for a fascist cause.
You can be call a fascist even if ideologically you’re not, but the outcomes you produce are fascistic. This is the category I think Kirk is in.
Would we stop calling Hitler a fascist if we found out that he actually just wanted to be friends with everyone and he didn’t actually care about killing all those Jews? He just failed spectacularly.
Sorry about this second thread. It’s all my fault. I have answered your question on what I use to determine fascism in the other thread.
I missed some of your points because I made bad assumptions and overlooked some things.
I’m not surprised that at some point in time he would say he was pro-liberal. But the positions he argued for were in support of fascism. He didn’t other just gay people. He othered Muslims. He has brought up the Jewish question. He is a fan of centralizing power. Not that centralizing a power by itself would be a strong indicator of fascism. You have to take a look at the big picture.
There are several statistical lies that he keeps repeating to maintain his position. Someone is popular and is well known as Kirk would surely have people able to quietly correct him on some of these things. Yet he keeps repeating them. The outcome of this rhetoric is to empower fascists. He very likely knew that.
Now I’m not saying he was rubbing together his hands and whispering to himself “good good”. I think he just followed the money.
I didn’t imply the entire right was fascist. I think a lot of them are. But I also think a lot of them aren’t. I also think some lefties are fascists. I think some liberals are fascists. I think some black people are fascist. I think some Jewish people are fascist. I think some Palestinians are fascist. Name a group of people, I guarantee you some percentage of them are fascist. It’s an easy ideology to fall into. It feels comfortable.
I’ll write this again in case you missed it the first time. Fascism has a definition. There are criteria to categorize. What is fascist’s behavior, What are fascist beliefs, what is fascist ideology.
You want so badly for me to be some crazy leftist who calls everyone a fascists without cause. But I’m sorry, I’m not. I’m intentionally calling Kirk a fascist. Because he meets the definition. I’m not saying it hatefully, I’m not saying it with emotion. It’s just 1+1=2. The sky is blue. The grass is green. Kirk is a fascist.
That is kinda a strange way to counter my point that he is definitionally a fascist. Are you saying that if enough people are fascist then the none of them are?
I am saying that the rhetoric that Kirk used fits the definition of fascist rhetoric. If everyone in the world meets that definition, then everyone in the world is fascist. That’s how definitions work.
Holy poop you are coming on wrong and hard. I don’t know if the shooter conservative or not, but you desperately don’t want him to be. Probably because it would look bad for you if he was.
You’re not interested in the truth, just a narrative.
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I mean, it might be, but the cable could be stiff, so this isn’t a good tell. I think the era of being able to reliably call AI slop is over.