‘Our long-term objective is to make printing a subscription’ says HP CEO gunning for 2024’s Worst Person of the Year award | Not satisfied with merely bricking printers, HP now wants to own them al…::It was only the other day we reported how HP has been slapped with a lawsuit in response to measures that disable its printers when fitted with a third-party ink cartridge. Now the company’s CEO,
How much I would love if EU pulled a USB-C on printer ink/toner.
“All printers must be compatible with one of these X possible formats of ink/toner. Lockdown is forbidden too”
Sure the printers would be more expensive but I am sure we would see an incredible improvement in quality and decrease in ink/toner cost
Sure the printers would be more expensive but I am sure we would see an incredible improvement in quality and decrease in ink/toner cost
Probably because everyone but Brother would step out of the market.
Win?
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Oh no step brother printer, don’t leave the market.
Long time Brother Laser Gang member here, and toner cost is not an issue. Averaged over the last decade it’s cost me like a couple bucks per year.
How much I would love for America to stop letting it’s corporations get away with these things so we won’t have to wait for the EU
“This is the ink we use. Everyone use the same ink. Cheaper, easier, better for everyone.”
“But sir, that sounds a lot like something Communists would do!”
The famous Marxist customer protection
Customer protection sound super communist.
fuck these goddamn late stage capitalist monsters, they’re fucking living caricatures.
Shame this won’t pass: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-sanders-and-colleagues-introduce-legislation-to-combat-corporate-greed-and-end-outrageous-ceo-pay-2/
I wouldn’t ever count a Bernie bill out, no matter how unlikely it seems. He has a reputation for getting things passed. His nickname in the Senate is “the amendment king”
The “late stage” part is unnecessary. This is just capitalism working as intended.
Right? This is just deregulated capitalism being really good at extracting wealth from us peons.
And since the CEO said this I will literally never buy an HP product again period
Very happy with my Brother laser printer so far. It just works. Hasn’t held my prints hostage for any online ink subscription renewals… yet…
They also just have famously shoddy build quality, with everything they make.
This really doesn’t seem like a very good long-term investment. Over time people are printing less, not more.
If you make it difficult to print they’ll make the active effort to move away from your product, which is especially bad given the people are moving away from printing in general anyway.
Which is why they have to extract a much as possible from their dimishing customer base that are essentially forced to still use them and this have no real choice.
Except other companies are still in the printer game.
Got a new brother color laser for under 200 a few weeks back.
Sure. One sets precedent the others follow as always.
I don’t own a printer because the cost to constantly refill cartrages feels like a subscription already. I just go to the UPS store for the 3 times a year I actually need to print something, on a for-realsies printer that someone else maintains. usually costs less than a dollar every time I go.
I print whole books from the printer at work.
I work at a Starbucks.
Why does Starbucks have a printer?
Because there are administrative tasks to be done in the back office.
Yeah they print us all the time in the back office.
Staples by my house has my printing business. Maybe 20 pages a year?
The moral of the story is don’t buy HP anything. Already trying to replace our large format latex printer from HP over this. Fuck that guy.
Why would anyone buy such a printer? You could just go to a print shop at that point. Though honestly that’s already what I do so maybe it’s for the hikikomori or something. I don’t know why the home printer still exists in this day and age.
I don’t know why the home printer still exists in this day and age.
Legal shit.
Well, crafts is why I just bought my first 2 inkjets in probably 20 years. Epson Ecotanks - actually make inkjet reasonable. I use it to do prints for heat transfer and for dye sublimation.
Then there’s the patterns for people who crochet or knit.
And occasionally forms - like passport renewal forms you have to mail in still for some reason, and you live a 30 minute drive from a printshop so having a B&W laser helps.
That said, I haven’t recommended an HP since the 1990s. There’s nothing I’m aware of they do better than brother in laser or epson in inkjet for home use (or Xerox in the business market).
Because I need to print at home, that’s why it exists.
What an ignorant take. There are people who’s life functions differently than yours.
I just replaced my 1996 Lexmark laser. I don’t recall ever replacing the toner, perhaps once. It just worked, for 27 years, and I can probably fix it.
I now have a newer wifi b/w laser. Why should I go somewhere to print something? It would take a minimum of 30 minutes to do so, and cost $2-$3. My time is worth more than wasting it on getting something printed.
And wtf is hikki-whatever?
“don’t know why the home printer still exists in this day and age”
Really? You are having a tough time imagining why people may want to print things on paper in their homes? I guess you are not alone because the printzone has a page dedicated to education on this topic.
Please visit the printzone https://www.printzone.com.au/help-centre/7-reasons-why-we-still-need-printers/
It’s been close to 5 years since I needed to print something at work. At home, more like 20 years.
I haven’t ironed my clothes in 25 years but with the power of imagination I can manage to grasp why other people might want to have an iron in their home.
Oh absolutely. There definitely are valid use cases for printers just like there are valid ways to use an ice pick. If you need to use huge blocks of ice for something, you really want to own your very own ice pick. Other people might not need one as much as you do.
I don’t need one
Most of those reasons are why a print company is needed, there’s very little about why I need a printer at home.
It’s not all about you
Canon understands that selling a printer with a maintenance contract is a viable way to do business…to business.
That’s a place where the option is very much appreciated.
It’s simple actually. Don’t buy HP products. Even their laptops have huge quality issues and flawed motherboard designs. Their firmware updates are known to brick motherboards. Even if you are under warranty, they won’t give you a new board, instead they’ll give you a refurbished board. FUCK YOU HP.
My company is an HP partner. I use a Lenovo.
Whyyyyy would you actually say this out loud? We all know it’s a dick move but I’m curious what would possess them to actually broadcast it? Like you’re not supposed say the quiet parts out loud. Right?
because they are mask off, they feel they are owed the money the subs would generate. They feel like they are untouchable because the system protects them
Legit question like I bought an Epson tank printer. I don’t use cartridges. I don’t use anything with HP on it right? So if they decide that they want to screw you over but they’re not a monopoly, wouldn’t we just go elsewhere? How is this a win for them? I just feel like they’re digging a hole for themselves
No?
Most people shouldn’t buy a home printer at all anymore. Unless you’re a crafter or work in a field that still uses lots of paper (i.e. law) they’re not worth it.
It’s a rapidly shrinking market and HP knows there’s no saving it so I guess they’re following the cable company playbook.
Squeeze your remaining customers as hard as possible before the music stops
Reminder:
Your local library can print documents for you for an insignificant sum. So can every Office Supply store - though they’re worse in every way. Also so can your local shipping supply store (UPS, etc…)
I’d rather just own a printer lol. You guys are making such a big deal over this
There’s no reason not to buy a brother or canon if you need a good laser printer to make hard copies of stuff. Not everybody wants to back everything up to the cloud and like hard copies or need it for their business.
Got it. Not to buy hp printer.
Obligatory Brother Laser Printer comment.
Obligatory “no step brother, that is not where letter sized papers are supposed to go”
I looked into these the other day as my canon inkjet is on its last legs, but it seems any brother laser printer with a comparable featureset now has its own subscription model, and I could be wrong but this is how it seems to work based on my research:
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You automatically get a trial subscription with the toner you get in these printer models (not sure, I hope it’s opt-in)
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If you don’t continue the subscription after the trial, the toner cartridges lock and there’s no way to continue using them, even if you renew your subscription later. You have to pay for new toner cartridges.
I bought an Epson ink tank printer because I was so done with cartridges. I’m quite happy with it so far. Always works, never saw any prompts for me to make accounts or install bullcrap software.
With how popular they’ve been for years, I’d be honestly surprised if they hadn’t enshittified. Reddit got a hard on for them like ten years ago.
You know how this happens right? Old mid man gets fired, new mid man gets hired- now, how for the new mid man to qualify their own existence? Change something. Improvement! Something to show the boss. But what happens when the product is already solid, when any change made to it worsens its functions? How do you improve a fork? You can’t, so instead you start adding shit to it, like better grip, sharper teeth, whatever, and the final product evolves gradually into a monster that is at the same time fork, printer, thermostat, and toilet paper dispenser.
The logical procession and ultimate conclusion of capitalism is this.
In fairness, mine is probably even older than that. I think they still sell the basic models. HL-L2305W?
If you own a Brother subscription, you can also get coffee packets, and fresh sock subscription as a service! To your door!
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And Canon laser brinter!
And Epson Ecotank
Does an “open-source printer” exist?
I can’t believe there aren’t any start-ups out there trying to “disrupt” the printer market.
I can’t believe there aren’t any start-ups out there trying to “disrupt” the printer market
Because in reality, printing is really not needed in most homes given the advent of paperless billing. I was still sneaking my essential documents to the work printer for many years, and even at the height of the pandemic, I was free printing at the library.
HP clearly wants to milk any small businesses for what they have with this, larger companies are already leasing the printers from the OG nickel and dimer: Xerox.
People lease those huge pieces of shit? Holy shit what a racket.
PC LOAD LETTER
Welcome to The Economy.
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It’s called the library
As far as I know, there aren’t even any Chinese companies trying to enter into this market. Xiaomi has a few high-priced inkjet printers and that’s it.
It would be so easy for all of us to come together and “disrupt the market”, but we don’t. If we collectively get together, like a crowd-funded FOSS alternative, and build this shit ourselves and sell it, that would wreak havoc with the game these leeches play, but we don’t.
WHY don’t we.
Okay, start the project.
I don’t wanna.
Can you do it?
WHY don’t we.
I think we found the answer to your question.
Ive been thinking about this recently. We have essentially done that for 3D printers from the start. We should absolutely do this for 2D printers
good luck with that!
You can probably rig an old dot matrix printer to work on modern machines. Convert the serial plug to usb by crimping some cables, and I would bet dollars to donuts that there are drivers out there.
As an IT worker who is regularly subjected to dealing with printers, HP is by far the worst I have to deal with. They are shit from the build quality to the bloated borderline spyware software they push to the awful web interface. If you are considering an HP printer just don’t. It’s a better investment to go buy anything else.
HP, yet another example of how to go from the best to the worst in a decade
