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    I never said “you’re evil scary Chinese people”. The Chinese state however, is another story (authoritarian— but I know you’re apathetic towards authoritarianism). I realize now that this may be evoking some sort of nationalistic reaction out of you, though.

    I didn’t “decide”— like I said, independent journalists and satellite imaging. And no, it’s not reducible to “Western evil scary propaganda” like you’re making it out to be.

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      authoritarian— but I know you’re apathetic towards authoritarianism

      All governments/states are authoritarian. That is their nature. No government is excluded from this.

      The difference with some governments over others is who wields that authority: the majority of working class people, or the minority of capitalist class people.

      I’d prefer to live in a state that advocates for my best interests as a working class individual rather than submit to capitalists that want to extract everything that I’m worth for themselves and hoard for no good reason.

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      The Chinese state that has 95+% support from the population and is made up of a representative of Chinese people.

      White people decided we’re evil and you just go along with it without any investigation because you’re racist and it confirms your biases

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        Ah yes because government-manufactured numbers hold value— you must think Russia is a democracy too, no?

        Oh, and now I’m racist. Great. Critiquing a state means I’m racist. Logical.

        I have nothing against Chinese people. If you’re defending things like suppression, I don’t care what colour you are, I don’t like that.

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          Western organizations have found that over 90% of the population approve the government, which is shown to be consistent and accurate. This isn’t coming from the government, but from western orgs directly asking Chinese people. Further, despite evidence that the government of China isn’t lying about public ownership being principle, and the transparent form of democracy we can view, you still don’t trust the government’s claims either!

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            Dictatorships that operate regardless of the will of the people such as Russia also “report high rates of approval”.

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              This is just phrasemongering on your part. The PRC is a democracy that operates based on consultative democracy, and these numbers are coming from western orgs. Your refusal to even accept western views on China points to an underlying dogmatism in your viewpoint that can only be explained by illogical foundations, ie chauvanism. I suggest you either bring facts and numbers, or accept that the CPC has high approval rates, else you’re just being chauvanistic.

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                You didn’t engage with my argument, so I won’t with yours either.

                Let’s call it phrasemongering.

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                  I did engage with your point, we aren’t talking about a dictatorship but a democratically run country, and not numbers gathered by the country itself but by western, hostile countries. Your analogy does not compare, western orgs have consistently found high approval rates. Why?

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                    Whether or not the country calls itself democratic isnt relevant.

                    Engage with this: why does Russia have high approval rates?

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          Ah yes because government-manufactured numbers hold value— you must think Russia is a democracy too, no?

          Strawman. Also more racism.

          You are a racist.

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            You got caught with a good analogy and you’re defaulting to claiming I’m a racist randomly to hide behind.

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            Nothing I said was racist lol.

            Repeating it won’t make it true.