While I agree, something needs to change, a lot of people aren’t in that spot. Raising rent got them there, and now they can’t leave because they’ll have to miss rent to have enough to move somewhere else, that’s either way too far or just as expensive.
Look at almost any major city in North America and then look at the average annual income vs average rent for a one bedroom. Rents have skyrocketed since COVID. Essentially doubled where I’m from. Think wages kept pace?
Unless you’re single handicapped war veteran, why are people living paycheck to paycheck? They blame the system while the only thing that they completely messed up is their own life.
Why am I getting downvoted? Truth is too hard to accept? Sorry, but no one is gonna hold your hand and show you how it’s done. Fix your life before it’s too late.
You can kindly take your shit opinion elsewhere. Most people who live pay to pay cannot get their life in order because they work 2 jobs.
Get some help.
Ask these people why they are working in the dead end jobs for the lowest wage possible? Life isn’t about flipping burgers for $7.25/h, go learn new skills, improve socials and KEEP GRINDING IT. You can easily move out of every shithole if you really keep putting pressure on yourself. Laziness is what kills you.
Exactly! Flipping burgers is meant for KIDS as a first job! But also if I can’t get a speedy meal during my noon lunch break while the kids are at school I’m going to be PISSED!
If everyone who flips burgers gets a “better job” are you going to stop having burgers?
The issue is that while there is work that needs to be done, then there will be a need to pay people to do it. If you’re a business owner and you have work that needs to be done, and you can’t afford to pay your employees enough for them to pay their bills and lube decent lives, and you can’t personally take the hit to your own income to cover the difference, then your business should fail.
Right now, the arrangement forces people to work more than 40 hours a week – which is illegal, but companies get away with it because they don’t work at the same company for the whole time. In fact, many people with multiple jobs don’t even have full time jobs – they have 3 part time jobs, all working them less than 40 hours a week, so they don’t have to give them the benefits they’re required to provide for full time employees.
(Personally, when I was young I had multiple places scheduling me for 39.5 hours a week. Now I’m a white collar FTE and I work 35 hours a week.)
So, next time you call someone who’s flipping burgers “lazy,” think about how lazy a person must be to work 100 hours a week. Is that what laziness looks like to you? How many hours a week do you have to work too not be considered not lazy?
Because, the thing is, you know they aren’t lacy. They’re working their fingers to the bone, and have much shittier and shorter lives than middle class people. Calling them lazy (or stupid or unlucky or whatever) is how you rationalize the fact that you’re unwilling to accept any inconvenience it might cause you to help them.
In this scenario – aka, the real world, the world we are in right now – they are working harder than the rest of us are, for less money.
Why can’t they just flip burgers from the age of 16 till 65? What if they don’t mind the work, they have a full and fulfilling life outside of work, and their job is just what they do to make ends meet? Does that mean they deserve to live in debt and working 100 hours a week? Are you so ignorant that you don’t understand that, in any economic system, capitalism or otherwise, not everyone can move up?
It’s literally not possible. There have to be people flipping the burgers. That’s a fact of the system; there’s no way around that. And it’s ok – not perfect, but acceptable – as long as we treat those people with dignity and respect.
And that means paying them enough to survive – and thrive – on 40 hours a week. No one’s saying they should have enough money to buy megayachts – or even regular yachts. But they should be able to buy a shitty canoe – and still be able to pay all their bills, and not have to work more than 40 hours.
If you’re concerned about the possibility that, if they earn more, you’ll earn less, that’s just not true. There’s no scenario in the USA where a company is charging customers any less than the most they possibly can, and paying their workers any more than as little as possible. That’s literally the law. There is plenty of extra money that can be used to cover the needs of our poorest people – and to raise the salaries of more scarce labor who would otherwise turn to flipping burgers if burger-flipping salaries went up.
Literally every business that’s even a little successful has extra money. (“Extra money” is also known as profit.) There is no reason why one person should have to work more than 40 hours a week while another person has more money then they can possibly spend in a lifetime; it’s illogical and irrational, and cruel.
Well obviously because burger flippers are only detrimental to society. These people should be THANKFUL we’re paying them at all to play around behind a stove all day!
In all seriousness, lad has some screws loose, you’re wasting time and effort if you expect to change their opinion. Dudes a slave to the system he’s defending. Sad.
Yeah I’m kind of dumb like that. But honestly I don’t actually do it for them – I do it for noobs. Like, there’s a long way for that person to go before my input will be helpful – but there are young people who have heard those arguments and may not have a compelling response – so hopefully my post will help.
I’m pretty sure I could buy you and your whole family if it was for sale
Wouldn’t have any time to do anything with them while you’re working multiple jobs just to maintain your “quality” of life. What are you doing on Lemmy anyway? get back to work!
Kinda a chicken and egg thing ain’t it? System sucks, I was born into a shit system, and learned from it, so now I’m a slave to it. What if I told you people are, on average, doing absolutely everything they can to not be paycheck to paycheck? Even the “welfare queens” I’m sure you’ll bring up next are a product of the fucked up system were born into. And also what if I told you people can be working on bettering their own positions while also pointing out that the system they are forced to take part in is absolutely rigged? Get the fuck outta here.
Look, I was born into this system as well, but I don’t weep every night because of it. If you had a working brain you would know that using the system for your own good is better instead of totally opposing it, like it’s lava path and you’re too scared to jump over it.
Oprah Winfrey
George Soros
Larry Ellison
Kenny Troutt
Just a few examples. These people got out of their poverty because they had the right idea in mind. But sure, it’s easier to “fuck capitalism” instead of moving your ass to become a better version of yourself.
The system can be abused, sure. I also have a working brain and choose not to, because every person who has abused the system and gotten fat off it has done so off the suffering and legitimate work put in by those who are in less fortunate spots.
The simple reality is that the system only works if you were born in the right spot, or if you’re one of those lucky enough to be pulled up, simply so some dumbass on a forum can go “see? See? It works sometimes! Use it to your advantage instead of complaining!” Fuck capitalism, not because it can’t be used to ones advantage but because it necessarily screws over anyone who isn’t frankly a psychopath, and fuck anyone who thinks it’s a good system.
That may be the case, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t point out the flaws of the system and work to make them better. I’d probably be complaining about the aristocracy then, too. Hopefully in the place that fuckin beheaded them.
I also don’t know why you seem to believe that someone can’t be bettering their own life while also complaining about the flaws of the system they’re in. You have problems walking and talking too?
'Cuz I know these people don’t spend their whole day and night on social media. Idk, find a husband/wife and make them work for you. Seems like a good idea if you hate capitalism. Become the mini capitalist yourself!
George Soros: Soros was born in 1930 to a poor family in Hungary. He later moved to the United States and became one of the most successful investors in the world. He is now a billionaire with a net worth of $8.6 billion
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What change do you propose? Being born ultra rich?
If you work hard and become a professional you can make 100-120k in your 30s. Maybe as much as 150 if you get lucky. Those jobs exist in places where rent is 50% take home and ownership is completely off the table.
Do you suggest working a Denny’s in a rural area? Fuck that and fuck you.
So I need to do your research for you? I thought mister “Provide an answer and educate yourself while researching it” would have, you know, researched it and would have a source for his bold claims.
LMAO if you pay 66% of your income on rent then you really need to change something in your life.
While I agree, something needs to change, a lot of people aren’t in that spot. Raising rent got them there, and now they can’t leave because they’ll have to miss rent to have enough to move somewhere else, that’s either way too far or just as expensive.
You’re just out of touch.
Look at almost any major city in North America and then look at the average annual income vs average rent for a one bedroom. Rents have skyrocketed since COVID. Essentially doubled where I’m from. Think wages kept pace?
For real.
Unless you’re single handicapped war veteran, why are people living paycheck to paycheck? They blame the system while the only thing that they completely messed up is their own life.
Why am I getting downvoted? Truth is too hard to accept? Sorry, but no one is gonna hold your hand and show you how it’s done. Fix your life before it’s too late.
You can kindly take your shit opinion elsewhere. Most people who live pay to pay cannot get their life in order because they work 2 jobs.
Get some help.
Don’t stop there.
Ask these people why they are working in the dead end jobs for the lowest wage possible? Life isn’t about flipping burgers for $7.25/h, go learn new skills, improve socials and KEEP GRINDING IT. You can easily move out of every shithole if you really keep putting pressure on yourself. Laziness is what kills you.
Exactly! Flipping burgers is meant for KIDS as a first job! But also if I can’t get a speedy meal during my noon lunch break while the kids are at school I’m going to be PISSED!
If everyone who flips burgers gets a “better job” are you going to stop having burgers?
The issue is that while there is work that needs to be done, then there will be a need to pay people to do it. If you’re a business owner and you have work that needs to be done, and you can’t afford to pay your employees enough for them to pay their bills and lube decent lives, and you can’t personally take the hit to your own income to cover the difference, then your business should fail.
Right now, the arrangement forces people to work more than 40 hours a week – which is illegal, but companies get away with it because they don’t work at the same company for the whole time. In fact, many people with multiple jobs don’t even have full time jobs – they have 3 part time jobs, all working them less than 40 hours a week, so they don’t have to give them the benefits they’re required to provide for full time employees.
(Personally, when I was young I had multiple places scheduling me for 39.5 hours a week. Now I’m a white collar FTE and I work 35 hours a week.)
So, next time you call someone who’s flipping burgers “lazy,” think about how lazy a person must be to work 100 hours a week. Is that what laziness looks like to you? How many hours a week do you have to work too not be considered not lazy?
Because, the thing is, you know they aren’t lacy. They’re working their fingers to the bone, and have much shittier and shorter lives than middle class people. Calling them lazy (or stupid or unlucky or whatever) is how you rationalize the fact that you’re unwilling to accept any inconvenience it might cause you to help them.
In this scenario – aka, the real world, the world we are in right now – they are working harder than the rest of us are, for less money.
They choose to work as burger flippers. And I’m not talking about 1-12 “monthers” but people who spend years not improving their situation.
It’s not laziness in the literal sense. They don’t see the way out because they are fucking stupid.
Why can’t they just flip burgers from the age of 16 till 65? What if they don’t mind the work, they have a full and fulfilling life outside of work, and their job is just what they do to make ends meet? Does that mean they deserve to live in debt and working 100 hours a week? Are you so ignorant that you don’t understand that, in any economic system, capitalism or otherwise, not everyone can move up?
It’s literally not possible. There have to be people flipping the burgers. That’s a fact of the system; there’s no way around that. And it’s ok – not perfect, but acceptable – as long as we treat those people with dignity and respect.
And that means paying them enough to survive – and thrive – on 40 hours a week. No one’s saying they should have enough money to buy megayachts – or even regular yachts. But they should be able to buy a shitty canoe – and still be able to pay all their bills, and not have to work more than 40 hours.
If you’re concerned about the possibility that, if they earn more, you’ll earn less, that’s just not true. There’s no scenario in the USA where a company is charging customers any less than the most they possibly can, and paying their workers any more than as little as possible. That’s literally the law. There is plenty of extra money that can be used to cover the needs of our poorest people – and to raise the salaries of more scarce labor who would otherwise turn to flipping burgers if burger-flipping salaries went up.
Literally every business that’s even a little successful has extra money. (“Extra money” is also known as profit.) There is no reason why one person should have to work more than 40 hours a week while another person has more money then they can possibly spend in a lifetime; it’s illogical and irrational, and cruel.
Well obviously because burger flippers are only detrimental to society. These people should be THANKFUL we’re paying them at all to play around behind a stove all day!
In all seriousness, lad has some screws loose, you’re wasting time and effort if you expect to change their opinion. Dudes a slave to the system he’s defending. Sad.
Yeah I’m kind of dumb like that. But honestly I don’t actually do it for them – I do it for noobs. Like, there’s a long way for that person to go before my input will be helpful – but there are young people who have heard those arguments and may not have a compelling response – so hopefully my post will help.
wtf are you talking about? Do you think we don’t need plumbers? Nurses? Get a job loser
I have 2 jobs, nice try.
See here the man not only a slave to the system, but placing the shackles on his own arms and legs! Capitalism is wonderful!
I’m pretty sure I could buy you and your whole family if it was for sale. But yeah, keep dreaming. I woke up from my dream a long time ago.
Monetarily isn’t the only way one can be enslaved.
Wouldn’t have any time to do anything with them while you’re working multiple jobs just to maintain your “quality” of life. What are you doing on Lemmy anyway? get back to work!
Kinda a chicken and egg thing ain’t it? System sucks, I was born into a shit system, and learned from it, so now I’m a slave to it. What if I told you people are, on average, doing absolutely everything they can to not be paycheck to paycheck? Even the “welfare queens” I’m sure you’ll bring up next are a product of the fucked up system were born into. And also what if I told you people can be working on bettering their own positions while also pointing out that the system they are forced to take part in is absolutely rigged? Get the fuck outta here.
Look, I was born into this system as well, but I don’t weep every night because of it. If you had a working brain you would know that using the system for your own good is better instead of totally opposing it, like it’s lava path and you’re too scared to jump over it.
Just a few examples. These people got out of their poverty because they had the right idea in mind. But sure, it’s easier to “fuck capitalism” instead of moving your ass to become a better version of yourself.
The system can be abused, sure. I also have a working brain and choose not to, because every person who has abused the system and gotten fat off it has done so off the suffering and legitimate work put in by those who are in less fortunate spots.
The simple reality is that the system only works if you were born in the right spot, or if you’re one of those lucky enough to be pulled up, simply so some dumbass on a forum can go “see? See? It works sometimes! Use it to your advantage instead of complaining!” Fuck capitalism, not because it can’t be used to ones advantage but because it necessarily screws over anyone who isn’t frankly a psychopath, and fuck anyone who thinks it’s a good system.
It’s like that in every system. You’re lucky you’re not living in the 1500s. Oh boy, I can’t even imagine how much you would whine at it.
That may be the case, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t point out the flaws of the system and work to make them better. I’d probably be complaining about the aristocracy then, too. Hopefully in the place that fuckin beheaded them.
I also don’t know why you seem to believe that someone can’t be bettering their own life while also complaining about the flaws of the system they’re in. You have problems walking and talking too?
'Cuz I know these people don’t spend their whole day and night on social media. Idk, find a husband/wife and make them work for you. Seems like a good idea if you hate capitalism. Become the mini capitalist yourself!
Sit down, bud. I have NO idea what you’re talking about, I think you busted something.
“Soros, who was born into a prosperous Jewish family…”
https://www.britannica.com/biography/George-Soros
From bing:
https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaires-who-came-from-nothing-2013-12?IR=T
Hmmm, which source is more trustworthy? Britannica with their biography, or Business Insider with their click-bait article? Hard to say…
Business Insider is a digital media company that focuses on business, finance, and technology news, while Encyclopedia Britannica is a general knowledge encyclopedia
So specialists vs randoms
>If you had a working brain you would totally “fuck capitalism”
What change do you propose? Being born ultra rich?
If you work hard and become a professional you can make 100-120k in your 30s. Maybe as much as 150 if you get lucky. Those jobs exist in places where rent is 50% take home and ownership is completely off the table.
Do you suggest working a Denny’s in a rural area? Fuck that and fuck you.
How many people are born ultra rich and how many people get rich by hard work? Provide an answer and educate yourself while researching it.
All the people who are ultra rich
0%
Need source on that
So I need to do your research for you? I thought mister “Provide an answer and educate yourself while researching it” would have, you know, researched it and would have a source for his bold claims.
No source
So you get to make bold claims without a source but everyone else needs a source when they point out that you’re full of shit. Got it.